Friday, August 28, 2009
Carol's Blog 2
Pinker discussed the many different facts as to how language is used everywhere. Theodore Dalrymple discussed many of the facts about which he did not agree with Dr. Pinker. No matter whether a person is supposed to or not, people will find a way to speak in their own language. In Dr. Pinker’s argument, he says how there are many different ways a person will find ways to communicate.
Two ways people communicate is through spoken language and body language. Although people are not supposed to, they sometimes make gestures to tell another how they feel about that certain person. Dr. Pinker discusses a situation in Nicaragua how at a deaf school, the children were not allowed to sign and had to only read lips. It was frustrating to the children so they decided on the school bus and on the playground they would make up a language of their own so they would not get into trouble.The children would become upset at the fact that they were not allowed to sign, were forced to lip read and master the skill of lip reading. It was completely wrong of the parents and the educators to force them to learn the skill of lip reading because if the children are unable to understand the conversation, they would become frustrated.
Most people would favor on the side of the children because they feel sorry for them. Although the children were frustrated that they were unable to communicate, the teachers and parents were trying to help them in the long run by having them learn how to communicate with hearing and speaking people. The skill of learning how to lip read is one that would help the children so it would be less frustrating in the future. If there was only one deaf person at a school, that one person would want to be able to communicate his or her feelings even though they are unable to speak.
Thursday, August 27, 2009
I can relate to Dalrymple
Question 2
I agree with Dalrymple in disagreeing with Pinker’s ideas as I believe that it would be ignorant to say that the child has been able to master sign language instinctly. Dalrymple says that, “Everyone ought to have the opportunity to transcend the limitations of his linguistic environment if it is a restricted one, which means that he ought to have a few school arms in his childhood..... It is fatuous to expect that the most complex of human faculties requires no special training to develop to its highest power”. This makes me think that it would be impossible for a young child to master such a complex language without specific training from their parents and teachers. Dalrymple reinforces this idea by saying, “An intelligent man who can make no constructive use of his intelligence is likely to make a destructive and self destructive use of it”. This means that without the nurturing of language from one’s external environment; for example parents, teachers, etc, we would never be able to construct language which is easy to understand and follow. This is why I believe Pinker simply can not be correct in his ideas and views as he is very one minded and is reluctant to believe our language is affected and improved by learning from others.
Language Controversies - Blog 2
The term "standard English" may have a few different meanings to different people. What is standard? If something is considered standard, by whom's definition are we going by? When thinking about this, I think about the term "normal" as well. What is considered normal, and by whom's defintion is it from? There is a difference also between speaking and writing. I do not speak in perfect, "standard English" with my friends or family, but when writing for and important paper assigned that will have great significance and importance, I tend to be more formal and practice a higher level or writing skills and vocabulary. Does this make me a hypocrite too? We sometimes tend to cater to the audience around us, making it easier for others to understand. For instance, the way I speak to my three year old niece is a lot different from the way I speak my eighteen year old friend, and the way I speak to my friend might be slightly different than the way I speak to my mom. When I speak to my niece, I need to stoop down onto her level of understand and her comprehension of vocabulary words. I will be more respectful and a little more proper when talking to my mom or older authority than I will be when communicating with one of my really good friends. Pinker is just trying to write in a way that he feels will be most effective in getting his points and ideas across to his readers.
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Dalrymple’s statement that Pinker doesn’t really believe a thing he says is an obviously false one. Pinker would not take the time to conduct the research or write the essay if he did not care. Rather, the statement seems to be made in order to show a hole in Pinker’s logic.
Dalrymple is because Pinker writes in a tone pleasing to schoolmarms. This is because the basis of this essay is that we all can, without education, speak in elegant complex language within our own dialect. In almost a parallel to what the writing is about, the writing itself is clear, concise, and elegant. The elegancy is what most likely upset Dalrymple. Many reasons have been suggested for why Pinker wrote that piece the way he did however. One thing we mentioned in class and certainly deserves consideration is the audience intended. This essay was meant for people who spoke the standard English dialect. How could we learn about the equality of the dialects and the other important points in his essay if we could not understand him.
Also, Pinker made arguments pointing out the equality of these languages. However, he never made a single point that they were appropriate in todays’ society. His purpose was to express their equality from a technical standpoint and to stop discrimination against these people on the pure basis of their speech patterns. In know way did he state that they should be accepted as a standard.
Another thing to consider is that Dalrymple is a British physician. This means that most likely he speaks near perfect English as many British people do. On top of this he is a physician which means he is highly educated. This is a man who has dedicated quite a bit of time to speaking and writing properly. Any paper that comes straight out and says that these lesser dialects in his mind are now alright is bound to rub him wrong.
Dalrymple and Pinker represent opposite ends of a spectrum. Pinker the more liberal welcoming party and Dalrymple in the conservative preserve the old writing. I believe both are necessary. As the world grows different dialects will spring up and looking down on them is not an option anymore. However abandoning our language is not an option either. Between the two opinions i believe balance can be struck
Blog Prompt 1
English 1101 – “Language Controversies”
Dr. Hughes
Blog 2
What is Standard English? Does it depend on where one is living? The question Pinker is answering is that there really is not a standard way to speak. Webster’s Dictionary defines Standard English as, “The English that with respect to spelling, grammar, pronunciation, and vocabulary is substantially uniform though not devoid of regional differences, that is well established by usage in the formal and informal speech and writing of the educated and that is widely recognized as acceptable wherever English is spoken and understood.” This form of English makes people seem educated and can be intimidating. Pinker believes that there is no “right” way to speak. Everyone has their own dialect and there is no need to change. No one dialect is grammatically wrong; they just have different words and rules. An example Pinker uses is, “…people in some regions of the United States refer to a certain insect as a dragonfly and people in other regions refer to it as a darning needle…”(pg.28) Dragonfly would be what the majority of the population would say was correct, but could darning needle not be correct as well? Another example is when he is talking to Larry, a man who spoke American Black English, and we see that the only difference is the means by which contractions are used. People tend to judge when they hear someone different from them speak. They automatically jump to conclusions and view their dialect better than others.
Even though Pinker’s articles were written in proper, grammatically correct English, one should not be so quick to call him a hypocrite. Just because he chooses to use this so called Standard English in his writings does not mean that he believes all other modes of speaking are wrong. His argument throughout the article is not that Standard English is wrong but that it’s not the only “right” way to speak. Pinker is writing in this form because he is gearing it toward an audience that would be more accepting of this dialect rather that one written in Black English or slang. He also might have been raised to speak this certain type of English while others might have been taught differently, but he is open and accepting to how language constantly changes. Where as Dalrymple seem to laugh at other dialects in his article, "The Gift of Language."
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Wednesday, August 26, 2009
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English 1101: “Language Controversies”
Dr. Hughes
Blog #2
Pinker gives and example of a preschooler named Sarah, whose parents only had a high school education. Obviously, their lack of education limits them. Through this example he suggests that with uneducated parents it was only possible for the young girl to say grammatically complex sentences because she just “created” these forms herself through instinct. Pinker even goes as far to state, “ …sentences like these show clearly that language acquisition cannot be explained as a kind of imitation.” How is it possible for Pinker to ignore the fact that her parents were not very educated and had her environment not changed then she may have never spoken a different and more complex language than her parents? This child should have the chance and ability to go beyond the limitations of her uneducated parents. If she is restricted from doing so, then for the remaining of this child’s life there will be a lack of expression. The child’s instinct to use the –s agreement suffix may begin to be used in their language, but it is not by coincidence. Pinker also suggests that the child suddenly realizes it should be used to make sentences fluent. The idea of that simply as an “instinct” for the child is quite absurd. Children will use imitation of language they have previously heard. It is obvious that a child will imitate the language of others, and more than likely the language others speak has derived from speaking a language that has had more construction and education than they were instinctually born with in their natural language. According to Pinker though, children do no need correction to clarify the language they speak. Children will automatically advance linguistically and become a linguistic genius as they become older. How can Pinker use all of his evidence to suggest that language does not correlate with intelligence? As I have seen in many of my patients throughout my career I feel very confident in the forming the opinion that linguistic abilities will not suddenly develop with age. Without any effort or revision to an individual’s language, I conclude that the person will never acquire the greatest power of their linguistic ability to express themselves.
Pinker a Hypocrite?
Tuesday, August 25, 2009
Blog Prompt 2
Blog 2
Dr. Jennifer A. Hughes
This week you may choose between two prompts. This essay will be more formal. That is, you should strive for clarity and careful grammar (the prescriptive kind!). Consider especially things that we have talked about in class: avoiding ending sentences with prepositions, avoiding contractions, using active verbs. The essay should be between 300 and 600 words, but again, feel free to write more if necessary.
1. Theodore Dalrymple writes that “Pinker doesn’t really believe anything of what he writes, at least if example is stronger evidence of belief than precept.” That is, Dalrymple accuses Pinker of being a hypocrite because Pinker himself clearly values standard English since he writes in it. Is Pinker a hypocrite? Does it discredit his argument? Why do you think that he writes as he does?
2. Choose an example from our readings in Pinker that Dalrymple does not really discuss (Simon the user of ASL whose parents are not fluent ASL users, the British woman with Chatterbox syndrome, etc.) and try to argue the Dalrymple side. That is, imagine yourself to be Dalrymple and argue against Pinker over the significance of this example.
Friday, August 21, 2009
Week 1 Day 3
In high school I took two years of Spanish. My teachers were not very good so I ended up not learning that much Spanish. This kind of gave me a bad impression of the language which probably isn’t fair but it is the only real experience that I have with the language. Although I can still speak some basic Spanish if I were to have to talk to someone who doesn’t speak any English. My grandparents are both Italian so I have learned a few phrases here and there but I can’t speak or understand it. It is the second biggest language in my life because it runs in the family. I wish I could speak more Italian because it would be a way for me to relate to my grandparents better and it is a very romantic language. It still makes me feel as if I am connected to another culture which is really cool. I like to hear other people speak Italian because it reminds me of the holidays when I eat dinner with my family and reminisce about the past.
School has affected my language because I talk a lot like the other people at my school. When you are around certain people for long periods of time you begin to say the same things they do, whether they are good or bad. School has also helped because teachers make you speak proper English which eventually wears on you and makes you speak proper. It happens whether or not you want it to!
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Language Controversies
Three or four years ago, my family moved off of our fifty acre farm in Conyers and into a subdivision. It was strange getting used to only living on 2 acres and having neighbors. As time went on, I began to recognize the different cultural backgrounds of the families living in my neighborhood. We have Asian, French, Brazilian, and Indian. My neighborhood only consists of about five streets, so I was surprised to discover this many nationalities in such a small area. My immediate next door neighbor is from Brazil and speaks Portuguese. They have five year old triplets and they love to come over and watch our dog play in our background. While they are visiting, I have noticed that whenever the mom is getting onto one or all of the triplets, she speaks their native tongue of Portuguese, but whenever we are casually talking with them, she speaks in English to them. It's made me realize how they are only five, yet they already know two different languages. Sure, they don't know perfect English yet or how to spell things or the rules of grammar, but from being surrounded by both Portuguese and English speaking people, they have picked up on both languages. My three year old niece is taught Spanish on a weekly basis by someone who comes into her daycare center in Alpharetta and speaks Spanish to them. It hit me while I was having dinner with her one time, that she knew probably more Spanish than I did since she just started randomly spitting out Spanish words and broke out into song about the different colors in Spanish. This is something that I wish I had taken advantage of when I was younger, and even in high school. I wish I had been taught at a younger age the difference between languages. I feel like if you start off with learning these things at a younger age then you will remember them better. Some people can just pick up different languages easily. My oldest sister know Pharsee, Spanish, some french and Italian, and of course English. For her, picking up different languages is a hobby that she enjoys. I on the other hand, have trouble speaking perfect English and the little Spanish that I remember from the three years I took it in high school. I enjoy listening to other languages and accents and wish that learning different languages came easier to me. With all the different languages though, it just goes to show that no matter where you are from or how you speak, there is still a great need for communication between individuals.
Language controversies
In the two weeks I have lived in the USA I have already experienced the differences between our English languages. Confusion has arisen from even the simplest of words or phrases. For example during soccer practice, when we first got told to bring our cleats and pinnies with us, the European section of the squad did not understand what we were being asked of. After some discussion between the squad, we realized that we were being asked to bring our soccer boots and bibs. This shows that even though we both talk English, there is a world of difference between ‘British English’ and ‘American English’.
My English accent has also attracted much interest, as people on campus seem to take more notice or an interest in me when they hear me talk. This has probably given me an advantage in making friends with people as classmates seem more eager to make conversation with me, leading to friendships being made easier.
English 1101: “Language Controversies”
Dr. Hughes
Week 1, Day 3 Blog
I have been exposed to a little bit of many different languages. English is my main language and is the language my family speaks in our house. Although English is my main language, my dad has traveled around the world with his job and teaches us a little bit of what he learns from every place that he has been. It is very important to my family to try to learn and understand person’s language because that is way to get to know a person better. As I learned a little bit of each language from my dad’s trips, it would allow me to be able to say thank you at a Chinese restaurant in Chinese and the people working there would think it was impressive I knew how to say thank you in Chinese.
Twice every week in class at my elementary and middle school, we would have Spanish class to help us learn Spanish and more about the Spanish language. In high school, I had a Spanish class everyday. In elementary school, we learned everything from the letters, numbers and food to how to have a conversation with someone. If someone wanted to have a conversation with me in Spanish, I would be able to start a conversation by asking them how they are doing, but not very much more. When I was taking classes everyday I was able to have a longer conversation with a person.
Although English is not my best subject because I do not like the grammar and everything, I do enjoy writing stories. I like just making up random stories or stories inspired by my life or what I see in everyday life.
Both, my mom and dad, a majority of their family live up in Ohio. I have noticed over the past 18 years that we people from Georgia and people from Ohio have different accents and say words differently. In the south, I have always called any carbonated beverage a “Coke”. In the north, any carbonated beverage is a “pop”. When we are all hanging out together, we have come to an agreement to call the carbonated beverage a “soda”.
Due to the fact that Miami has a large Cuban population my dad picked up some basic words and taught them to me and my sister as we were growing up. This piqued my interest for the Spanish language, and once I started high school, I knew I wanted to take Spanish classes. I started my freshman year with Spanish 1, then continued to Spanish 2, 3, and then senior year I took AP Spanish. What a delight that was! Taking those Spanish courses gave me an appreciation for people who speak multiple languages and it also let me know that English is one of the hardest languages to learn, which makes me feel lucky that it is my first language. In addition to taking the AP Spanish language course my senior year, I took Advanced Composition. I had no idea that I would stand so much writing. I'm glad that I took it last year because it really helped me get past any big problems I had with writing about many different subjects and in many different formats. Advanced Composition showed me how to enjoy writing, even if I don't enjoy what I'm writing about. School has definitely shaped the way I feel about languages in all forms.
When preparing to start this chapter of my life at YHC, I realized that I would probably come in contact with quite a few people with heavy southern accents. What I didn't realize was how quickly I would pick those accents up. I already find myself putting a twang on my vowels. The best part of the language in this part of the world is talking with someone who has lived here their whole life. On Monday, two service men came into my dorm room to fix the bathroom door. When they were done, one of the men asked to borrow my broom, but it sounded like he asked if he could borrow my brain! That was probably the funniest experience I have ever had with misunderstanding someone's accent, but I look forward to having many more of those experiences throughout my life.
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
My family is all from the south, more specifically Georgia. My family along with my mother and father, I have one brother who is like the rest of my family have pretty deep rooted southern accents. We say words like " Y'all" and " I'm fixin to" in which I know is not proper grammar. As I recently said I was indeed the first person in my family to take a foreign language class. My dad was so intrigued by my enthusiasm for the class that he tried to speak Spanish himself. He always talked about getting post- it notes and putting the Spanish words for the object he would put them on. But he never did it, instead we went on a five day cruise to the Cayman Islands and Cozumel. While on this trip we heard different accents that at these point because of my vague memory I can't put in words. On the trip we went to various beaches, we snorkeled with a guy with a Jamaican accent and went to a turtle farm. This trip really made me appreciate our language and others as well.
Prompts for Blog 1
Week 1, Day 3
Blog Prompt 1
Blog 1
Your first blog assignment is a personal essay. It should be between 300-600 words, but feel free to write more if you get inspired! You may write using the first person (I) and describe one or several aspects of your linguistic history. Some topics you might wish to cover include:
- The languages you have been exposed to over the course of your life, and how important they are to who you are. Is English your native language? Are you bilingual or multilingual? Did you learn other languages as a child and then forget them? Have you taken courses in other languages?
- The relationship between family and language. Do any members of your family speak other languages and dialects than you do? Does that make you feel connected to another culture, or make you feel estranged?
- How has school has affected your language? Have teachers made you try to speak differently (or write differently) than you would otherwise? Do you admire academic standards of language, resent them, or do you care?
- Any stories about yourself and your language that you think are funny, interesting, or say a lot about who you are. Have you ever gone abroad and come back speaking with a different accent just for fun? Have people from other regions or countries commented a lot upon your accent?
Sunday, August 16, 2009
Welcome!
Welcome to the blogging site for ENG 1101: Language Controversies, section 2. This is where you'll be posting your Friday responses each week before class. It's a "greener" and tech-savvy way for you to practice your writing.
Best,
Dr. Jennifer A. Hughes